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greetings everyone and welcome to

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spacing out I'm Jason McClellan and I'm

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marine Ellsbury thanks so much for

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joining us later in the show we'll be

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joined by military and aviation

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journalist Tyler Rogo a he's going to

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talk about something you've probably

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seen in the news lately which is all

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those UFO encounters that pilots have

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been having but first we've got our

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drinks in hand so let's jump into the

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we believe all news good or bad is

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better when paired with a good beverage

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so Laureen what are you drinking today

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so this is an inappropriate glassware

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for what I'm drinking but I'm drinking

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possibly the dirtiest ever martini in a

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in a water glass because I have recently

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moved and I don't know where my martini

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glasses are but you know well that's a

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that's a good excuse and I guess if

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you're going to be drinking a dirty

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martini you should be drinking it in

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inappropriate glassware it's a clean

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glass at least clean glass is good yeah

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well I'm drinking the most man that the

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manliest drink that I think I've had on

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the show and that is this very pink

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drink very balanced yes so this is so

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home infused vodka with blueberries and

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basil which is very good and also some

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home squeezed lemon juice so it's very

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tart but refreshing because it's like 93

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degrees where I am rainy and cold here

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so that's not fair cheers Cheers I'm

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just glad you are also drinking out of

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some you know crazy water glass here

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exactly we had we had to do it up with

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our incorrect with our inappropriate

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glassware absolutely

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first we're revisiting that story we

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covered quite heavily back in 2013 a

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tiny story a tiny story that's right

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we're talking about our little friend

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adda the tiny humanoid discovered in the

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Atacama Desert back in 2003 by a

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treasure hunter adda was the focus of

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the 2013 crowdfunded documentary Sirius

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which was produced by JD Sarafine and

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focused on the work of dr. Steven Greer

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while the movie was being filmed dr.

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Gary Nolan at Genesis at the department

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of microbiology and immunology at

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Stanford University School of Medicine

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contacted Greer and Sarafine and offered

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to sequence the beans DNA his initial

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findings were that it was 92 percent of

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a match to a normal human misleading

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comments by both the filmmakers and the

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media taking Nolan's findings out of

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context led many to believe that this

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was a mummified extraterrestrial being

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after the film Nolan went on to spent

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four years with a team of 10 scientists

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to research the mutations that might be

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causing these anomalies the findings

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from the study were recently published

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in the journal genome research and

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concluded that this highly unusual

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specimen was that of a fetal female with

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gene mutations and a highly unusual bone

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disorder causing premature ossification

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Nolan's findings could vastly improve

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the understanding of such mutations and

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provide a picture of how this could

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enable drugs for rapid bone healing and

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give us a greater understanding of rare

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and unique disorders like Addis what is

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this case finally closed some would say

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no Greer recently appeared on the Carol

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rosin show on a segment called the

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Stanford Atacama cover-up he gets a

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lengthy rebuttal to Nolan's findings and

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alleges that the story is not over nor

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does he plan to give up on it anytime

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we could all agree that Adam needs a

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little break from the poking and the

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prodding and should likely be returned

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to her home the desert in Chile summer

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is quickly approaching and that means

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all sorts of UFO conferences and other

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events are almost upon us there are so

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many UFO related events happening all

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the time but there are quite a few

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conferences in the summer here are some

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that you might want to check out the

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mick minimums UFO festival takes place

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in McMinnville Oregon May 17th through

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the 19th investigative journalist George

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Knapp and investigative filmmaker Jeremy

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Korbel will be among the speakers at

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this year's event contact in the desert

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takes place in Indian Wells California

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this year June 1st through 4th this

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large event features tons of speakers

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including Richard Dolan Nick Pope a

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bunch of guys from ancient aliens and

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most importantly our buddy Jeremy Korbel

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and don't forget the Roswell UFO

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festival taking place in where else

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Roswell this year's event is happening

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July 6 through the 8th and they're still

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working on the details but Roswell is

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always all sorts of weird and weird is

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good and last but not least we're

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excited to announce that rogue planet is

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once again going to be at Denver Comic

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Con we'll be presenting a few panels and

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details will be on our rogue planet

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Facebook group in the

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coming weeks yeah we can stop to figure

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that out but we're gonna have some

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really cool stuff and super excited to

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be going back to Denver we have a great

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time in Denver and I don't know we

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talked about it but it's so much fun

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last year Maureen our panel on real life

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x-files was so much fun last year yeah

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it was great it was sold out and so

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we're really hoping to sort of carry on

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the momentum and hopefully people are

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still as starved for the UFO and

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paranormal topics because you know

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there's there's not a lot of that in

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this sort of event usually and but this

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year there will be and a lot has

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happened in the world of UFO since last

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year absolutely um you know we have I

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guess I shouldn't announce who else is

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going to be there I almost did but well

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to keep it top secret but we'll just say

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there are other people that will be

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presenting topics of similar matter yeah

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that's going to be very awesome and we

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hope as well that we'll be able to

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either do a live episode of spacing out

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there or something we'll keep you posted

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and see what happens but but yeah I'm

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definitely excited for this year I'm a

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little bummed you know we talked about

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these other UFO events that Jeremy

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corbels gonna be speaking with George

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which is not that crazy of a drive from

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me I'm in Seattle so but unfortunately

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they already have plans I cannot get out

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of that weekend so I'm gonna miss it but

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I'm missing all these events this year

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yeah it's a bummer I really wanted to

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get up to McMinnville to be fun with

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George Neff and Jeremy there but yeah

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it's it's interesting and and we

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mentioned with how much has happened

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since last year's since you know when we

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largely in part credit to to the stars

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Academy for sort of busting the the

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governments the Pentagon's UFO program

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wide open and with that there's been you

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know trickling of videos and stuff here

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and there and a lot of research coming

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out now and people involved with to the

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Stars there's so many people involved it

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to the Stars and one of those people is

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dr. Gary Nolan

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so you know person revisiting this this

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old add a case you know it's funny to

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see I'm glad it made news again I'm glad

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that dr. Gary Nolan continued the

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research on this and put it to bed as it

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needed to be but personally his findings

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you know are the same the main main

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punchline remains the same as it always

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was and he's all yea human this is a

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weird human but human absolutely and and

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you know I'm on the side of course we're

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personally for me I am more on to side

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with Gary Nolan then then career I

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listen to a very brief portion of his

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interview on Carol rosin show and so I

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can't talk really because I didn't

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listen to the whole thing but I did hear

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him talking about some things and you

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they were coming out now

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Gary Nolan's results were showing you

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know this looked like everyone was

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saying this was probably a really old

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find this mummy was from a long time ago

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but now they're saying is probably only

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forty years old and I did hear Greer

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saying a hundred to one hundred and

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forty on Rosen's program and going on in

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trying to scientifically or medically

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refute all of his statements so

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obviously this is one of those things

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where people are gonna believe what they

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want to believe we see this all the time

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with every case so because this study

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has come out it's closed the door for

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settled the case for many of us I think

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but there is also going to be a ton of

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people that still are you know this is a

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convoluted free free to believe I'm not

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I'm not judging like I said I didn't

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watch the the interview of people want

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to there they're more than welcome to

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but but yeah it was a unique thing

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because there were these obvious

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extremely visible mutations and they

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weren't sure if it was some rare form of

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dwarfism or what was going on because

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the bone density was appeared to be that

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of like a six to eight year old child at

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that time there

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yes yeah and so us of all the just the

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huge massive mutations going on it made

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even the you know basic details you know

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very difficult to to conclude anything

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back when they were initially reporting

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findings or

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you know what their studies were

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revealed they said it was a male

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absolutely yeah and it's interesting

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because we did cover this on spacing out

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way back in the day when series was

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first about to be released right and you

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know I actually kind of went and

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rewatched a little bit of that the other

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week and you do yeah you call it a boy

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so but yeah so the female they found the

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white chromosome and went from there and

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the you know the the massive amount of

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mutations that this is basically this is

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an extremely incredible medical find

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yeah and hopefully this provides a lot

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of really valuable research into these

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types of disorders and we can understand

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this sort of diseases and in Auto

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currencies better yeah for sure

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I think it's highly valuable and like

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you said I mean I like with UFOs or

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anything else we encourage people to

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take the information do their own

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research they can make up their own

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minds are going to anyway but you don't

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have to believe Gary Nolan but look at

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his credentials and look at the

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credentials of the people who did the

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studies I think it's pretty valuable to

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look at that absolutely it's now time

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for our interview with aviation

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journalist and editor of timings the war

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zone tyler rogue away tyler we've been

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wanting to talk with you for a while so

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we're really excited to have you on

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today welcome to the show hey good to be

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with you guys well you know specifically

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today i mean there are plenty of things

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to talk about for sure because some

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interesting things have been happening

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but specifically really want to get into

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this story that you wrote back in

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november about an incident that occurred

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on october twenty-fifth 2017 well then

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in northern california and oregon really

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and that was about this encounter this

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incident that occurred but

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commercial air traffic an unidentified

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object in the sky and the scrambling of

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fighter jets so we've discussed that a

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little bit on this show but if you

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wouldn't mind kind of give us an

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overview of what that incident was sure

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yeah so you know in the aft late

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afternoon around 4 o'clock on the 25th

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of October it was good weather actually

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over the northwest which is rare yeah

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I'm here is beautiful and a air traffic

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controller from Oakland Center saw on

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his radar scope an intruder which means

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that it doesn't have any it's you know

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not squat well it it potentially

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squawked a code meaning it's sent out

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trans pounder code for a moment but you

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know it's tough to tell with other

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traffic but that was confusion or what

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we're still up in the air about that but

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this thing was moving really fast and we

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have all the tapes now the controllers

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talking and the you know everything else

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and you can tell this was like something

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they hadn't seen before

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especially over you know Oakland Center

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controls a massive amount of airspace

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and they got military operating areas

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and everything else they deal with and

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you know transient traffic so they see a

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lot of stuff you know so it's

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interesting the response was strange but

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eventually this thing was heading on a

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southern route at very high speed over

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Northern California took a very hard

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left turn to the north and then it

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disappeared totally went off radar it

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was not sending out any transponder

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transmissions it was not talking to air

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traffic control so it was what they

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called Nord oh it didn't have any

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communications beyond just being a

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primary target at one period of time but

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after that it disappeared so now this

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thing was just gone and so that and that

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in of itself is weird right yeah I mean

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here's the deal and people you know

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think of radar as sort of like this

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monolithic you know system that can see

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everything it's very persistent and it

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isn't you know different things can

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happen in the atmosphere and you know

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the quality of actual system itself the

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angle to the target the Doppler effect a

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bunch of different things can go into

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how an object appears on radar right so

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but the problem is is that happens

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transiently that that's it that's a

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moment in time where something will

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disappear because of its angle or

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because the atmospherics you know

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scenario whatever and then it reappears

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moments later ya know so so at this

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point in the story this is already an

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interesting incident oh yeah yeah you go

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to my website adhere controllers and

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they're like wow okay you know they're

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there they don't you can tell that they

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have not dealt with this a lot yes

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something that's fairly new and so yeah

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it event eventually you know they they

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got the idea you can tell that this

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thing merged with air kind of air

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traffic and Northern California up to

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Seattle there's kind of a corridor that

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goes down the Willamette Valley and

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there's a lot of air traffic going back

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and forth that's a big air transport

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corridor so there's a lot of stuff going

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on up there

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and then we get into the scenario where

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kind of around the border there of

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Southern Oregon around Crater Lake the

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air traffic controllers start asking

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pilots hey do you see something off

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you're you know eleven o'clock you're

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two o'clock because we kind of and you

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know had a target for a moment or you

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know we can't see it now but maybe it's

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airspace pilots don't get that a lot so

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then I'm kind of you know weirded out by

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it a little bit themselves but they all

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there's about three aircraft that

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reported seeing it and not just for a

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moment you know Oh flash by us or

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something like that this went on for we

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have at least 30 40 minutes a tape of

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this occurring and it went pretty much

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up the wall I'm at Valley and then those

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airliners that were watching it and they

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couldn't make out what it was that

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couldn't tell if it was what airline or

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you know anything like that no defining

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features aside from being white hmm in

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in color or in tone and you know one of

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the pilots in the we actually FOIA at

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Fort Freedom of Information Act quest we

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got a bunch of information including the

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telephone according to the interviews

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the

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of it he said who's asked you know was

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it small was a big what was it they said

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this was no Learjet this was a big

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aircraft that we are looking at as far

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as what type nobody can make it out it

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was just a large from what we can tell

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from all this information it was just a

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large dot or speck out there that was

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white in nature so eventually these

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airplanes that were kind of watching

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this thing descended into Portland OR

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went on to a different direction so they

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lost sight of it and the sunset Sun was

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going down at this time and right in

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that kind of that moment was when the

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f-15s out of Portland were scrambled to

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look for this aircraft or this object or

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whatever this thing was and what did

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they find you know the you know very

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advanced aircraft now their new radar

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systems and electro-optical targeting

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system so they're good and they trained

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constantly on this exact mission you

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know going out and fine identifying

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aircraft for the noble eagle or a coma

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and defense type mission so and in the

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tapes that we got to which is so

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interesting it's an unprecedented view

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and this sort of the back end of what

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happens when something like this occurs

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we get a lot of talk between the

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military the western air defense sector

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that controls that airspace it's part of

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NORAD and the FAA and you know it took a

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while for them to get those f-15s up and

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even when they went after they went up

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and it was all done and said there was

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also a lot of confusion of who actually

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ordered the scramble so there's a lot of

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stuff going on in this that we found out

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you know since the story were first

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developed but the bottom line for your

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for your viewers is that even with all

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this information that we have we still

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don't know what this was we have no clue

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it was moving faster than the airline

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traffic around it it doesn't mean that

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was going Mach five or something it was

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but it was outpacing the 737 that were

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traveling up in crews so we know it was

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had

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good performance whatever it was we know

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it was large and we know it was white in

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color and that's all we know and you did

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such a great job with the FOIA requests

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and you know obtaining these audio

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recordings and I'm sure some people a

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lot of people probably listening to that

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would be a little bored but I don't know

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about you but that is some of the most

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thrilling audio to listen to just

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hearing this all unfold and from many

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different angles - oh it totally is and

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and you know I'm not a I don't report on

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unidentified flying objects you know I'm

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a defense reporter right so I'm in this

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for a different reason I I you know I I

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don't think anybody in aerospace or

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defense if they told you oh I know

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interest in the you know UFO kind of

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history and lore I could never believe

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that because you know that's obviously

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intriguing for anybody that loves flight

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or any you know spaceflight or anything

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like that but with this particular deal

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is so interesting because we have really

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hard evidence and we have you know

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pilots trained people radar operators

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western air defense sector all trying to

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look for this and try to figure out what

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this thing is and towards the end of all

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this you know couple hours of audio that

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we got we actually have the conversation

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between the Seattle Center air traffic

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control manager and the quality

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assurance department at the FAA like the

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phone call and I you can tell from these

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people that the quality assurance group

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that they get any crazy thing that

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happens weird thing every day that

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happens in the airspace they hear about

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it mm-hmm okay that's our job and even

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they don't know how to deal with this

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right that was shocking you know and

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yeah it's not like unidentified objects

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aren't common they they are common and

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pilots report these things quite

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frequently but an incident like this

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with multiple in air sightings and

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conversations with the ground made it

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kind of a more special incident and you

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you you said it exactly right I mean

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it's it's kind of surprising and

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and shocking how unprepared it seemed

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that people were with the procedures and

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how to deal with this yeah that that's

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my takeaway - you know I just

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considering that like I say a lot of

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stuff happens in the everyday you know

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outside of like any sort of sightings or

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anything just weird crap happens you

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know pilots get lost and they end up in

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military operating areas it's a they

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have to scramble fighters and Air Force

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One or the Air Force ones on the ground

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somewhere there's a you know airplane

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strays so we have all these things that

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happen on a daily basis but they kept

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saying and they were they were thinking

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oh I'm being recorded here this is just

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normal conversations that we had a FOIA

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and get the recordings of you know this

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is a phone not radio not on the open

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source at the time so you know yeah they

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were really you can tell that this was a

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very unique event and the level of

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detail and the length that it occurred

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over were like I say unique and so

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that's why we kind of followed it

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through to the point where it is today

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but even after all you know all of this

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work that we put into it and and kind of

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you know looking deeper usually there's

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an explanation right you can say listen

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this is what I do for a living I debunk

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stuff you know you say you know listen

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you guys don't understand the military

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operates in this area this and that I

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mean there's a couple things a smuggler

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you know but you're not gonna really

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have an airplane disappear on radar for

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that period of time if it's the Learjet

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that's stolen okay so that doesn't make

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any sense really now that we what we

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know at the time maybe possibly you know

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somebody going up to Canada or whatever

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but you know that doesn't really sound a

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good match the only thing that you know

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people ask me like what what do you

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think it is and I said well on the

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spectrum of what's out there we do know

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that unmanned systems are being tested

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you know we've seen quite a few of them

544
00:22:56,050 --> 00:22:51,200
already the higher end of it is they're

545
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:56,060
stealthy flying wings that allow that

546
00:23:00,220 --> 00:22:58,490
you know the penetrate into any enemy

547
00:23:03,790 --> 00:23:00,230
airspace undetected for periods of time

548
00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:03,800
and surveil over enemy airspace this is

549
00:23:07,150 --> 00:23:04,460
an operational

550
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:07,160
ability to rq-170 it will fell right

551
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:09,170
through the Iranians hands in 2011 we

552
00:23:14,740 --> 00:23:12,050
all saw those images yeah you know that

553
00:23:16,660 --> 00:23:14,750
that may be straight off a range in

554
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:16,670
Northern Nevada the Fallon ranges are

555
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:18,890
there it's actually happened before like

556
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:21,290
I say they're raining incident but you

557
00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:23,570
know it has to end up somewhere right

558
00:23:27,610 --> 00:23:25,910
yeah so with that that's kind of a

559
00:23:29,290 --> 00:23:27,620
missing link as well and you know then

560
00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:29,300
people say oh it's a secret airplane

561
00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:30,950
that they're moving from area 51 well

562
00:23:35,220 --> 00:23:32,990
that's not how they do it they don't

563
00:23:38,890 --> 00:23:35,230
they don't go in broad daylight and

564
00:23:41,860 --> 00:23:38,900
streak out all the FAA have the military

565
00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:41,870
scramble jets after them you know it

566
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:43,640
makes no sense for them and that's

567
00:23:48,250 --> 00:23:45,650
historically they have never done

568
00:23:50,380 --> 00:23:48,260
anything like that then move a secretive

569
00:23:52,570 --> 00:23:50,390
asset they just call it a Gulfstream

570
00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:52,580
five and do it at night nobody knows the

571
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,030
difference right so so we really don't

572
00:24:01,720 --> 00:23:58,640
know what what the deal is there mystery

573
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,730
unsolved I mean we heard them say that

574
00:24:05,950 --> 00:24:02,960
you know somebody's gonna go through

575
00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:05,960
this with a fine-tooth comb for sure do

576
00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:07,190
you think we'll hear any more do you

577
00:24:11,410 --> 00:24:09,950
think we've heard all that will be

578
00:24:14,410 --> 00:24:11,420
allowed to be released about whatever

579
00:24:16,030 --> 00:24:14,420
happened well you know the weird thing

580
00:24:18,010 --> 00:24:16,040
with these stories what I found out just

581
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:18,020
in my time doing this sort of thing is

582
00:24:22,750 --> 00:24:19,520
they kind of have a life of their own

583
00:24:24,790 --> 00:24:22,760
and usually they'll sit you know for a

584
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,800
period of time and then maybe somebody

585
00:24:29,230 --> 00:24:26,960
that was involved at the time that had

586
00:24:31,210 --> 00:24:29,240
retired or whatever's today I was there

587
00:24:33,670 --> 00:24:31,220
this was the rumor I heard you know or

588
00:24:36,220 --> 00:24:33,680
you know we actually looked into this

589
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,230
farther and you know more and you should

590
00:24:42,370 --> 00:24:38,480
maybe look in this direction so I can't

591
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,380
say that it you know it's done we

592
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:44,240
definitely try to get what we could out

593
00:24:48,820 --> 00:24:46,850
of the FAA you can tell there's it

594
00:24:50,890 --> 00:24:48,830
seemed like they didn't have much more

595
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:50,900
to report yeah they interviewed the

596
00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:53,050
pilots I mean what else are you gonna do

597
00:25:00,060 --> 00:24:55,820
but we've got to remember this we don't

598
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:00,070
have access to NORAD's

599
00:25:06,550 --> 00:25:03,770
information they're not you can't fly

600
00:25:08,140 --> 00:25:06,560
yet NORAD it's except yeah so you know

601
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:08,150
maybe they haven't a better intelligence

602
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:09,890
assessment on what happened that we

603
00:25:14,290 --> 00:25:11,210
don't know about but that's just

604
00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:14,300
speculation yeah well something you did

605
00:25:17,770 --> 00:25:16,550
really well I thought in your story

606
00:25:19,539 --> 00:25:17,780
about this was

607
00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:19,549
you know being a being a responsible

608
00:25:25,150 --> 00:25:21,830
journalist and you know putting out

609
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:25,160
suggesting the the possible explanations

610
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:27,919
for what this thing was and then based

611
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:29,809
on your experience and and various

612
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:31,730
reasons why those were unlikely

613
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:35,090
explanations yeah I think you know like

614
00:25:39,159 --> 00:25:37,250
I said I try to debunking it I can and

615
00:25:42,490 --> 00:25:39,169
there's no good fit you know there's no

616
00:25:44,860 --> 00:25:42,500
good fit there's no good fit and so I

617
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:44,870
think putting that forward and you know

618
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:46,130
everybody's gonna read this and think

619
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:47,840
UFO I mean they're not you know I'm

620
00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:49,610
saying it's murder culture so right you

621
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:50,990
don't have to go out and say that put it

622
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:53,450
in people's faces now what did change

623
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:56,960
was we we published this on like I think

624
00:26:02,350 --> 00:25:59,360
November 13th or 15th or something like

625
00:26:04,330 --> 00:26:02,360
that I you know a month later we get the

626
00:26:05,950 --> 00:26:04,340
threat assessment that broke from the

627
00:26:07,899 --> 00:26:05,960
Pentagon that they've been looking at

628
00:26:10,659 --> 00:26:07,909
this and that they have videotapes yeah

629
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:10,669
of you know the f-18s dough down off the

630
00:26:15,730 --> 00:26:12,890
Baja coast that saw that flying tic-tac

631
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:15,740
thing and you know we know that there's

632
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:18,730
been a program ongoing that's not

633
00:26:24,580 --> 00:26:22,730
necessarily about exploitation of any

634
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:24,590
you know there's the claim isn't super

635
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:27,110
high it's more of a threat assessment

636
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:30,559
right so my that that kind of changed

637
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:32,330
the story totally and being much more

638
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,730
plausible to have a more open mind about

639
00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:36,799
what this could have been but also that

640
00:26:40,539 --> 00:26:38,630
maybe that the Defense Department did

641
00:26:41,710 --> 00:26:40,549
look into this more than then we know

642
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,720
right

643
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,760
and that's still another story that's

644
00:26:47,529 --> 00:26:45,679
gonna be ongoing you know the the threat

645
00:26:48,909 --> 00:26:47,539
assessment thing we still don't know

646
00:26:51,970 --> 00:26:48,919
everything about really what that

647
00:26:53,470 --> 00:26:51,980
program was right you know a lot yeah

648
00:26:56,590 --> 00:26:53,480
but we don't know where it went

649
00:26:59,020 --> 00:26:56,600
you know supposedly shut down and we get

650
00:27:02,140 --> 00:26:59,030
multiple reports now that it didn't and

651
00:27:04,330 --> 00:27:02,150
for me as a as a defense guy I mean that

652
00:27:08,169 --> 00:27:04,340
is you know regardless of where the

653
00:27:10,779 --> 00:27:08,179
origin a thing comes from if it's deemed

654
00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:10,789
a threat or needs to be looked at and

655
00:27:15,850 --> 00:27:12,470
examined in that way you know it's

656
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,860
relevant so it changed it changed the

657
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:17,600
story quite a bit when that came out

658
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,200
yeah yeah and you did you did the same

659
00:27:26,620 --> 00:27:23,919
thing to with your your story about the

660
00:27:29,890 --> 00:27:26,630
the Learjet and the the Airbus over

661
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:29,900
southern Arizona right February 24th

662
00:27:33,419 --> 00:27:31,090
that incident

663
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:33,429
you know suggesting possible well I

664
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:35,110
guess they did write the the pilots

665
00:27:41,370 --> 00:27:37,210
themselves suggested or asked if it

666
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:41,380
could be a Google loon balloon yeah

667
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:44,049
yeah they were I mean there was multiple

668
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:47,049
guys on that channel pilots and somebody

669
00:27:51,149 --> 00:27:49,690
kept saying UFO right it was funny yeah

670
00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:51,159
the thing with the radio traffic we

671
00:27:55,169 --> 00:27:53,590
don't know exactly who's talking at what

672
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:55,179
time you can kind of tell by their calls

673
00:28:00,860 --> 00:27:57,730
you know and their IDs and you try to

674
00:28:03,870 --> 00:28:00,870
extrapolate but there's a lot of kind of

675
00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:03,880
let's put it on for Milan the frequency

676
00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:07,150
at that time so there's that was being

677
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:12,190
suggested multiple times I can just tell

678
00:28:16,649 --> 00:28:14,830
you this on that story that people that

679
00:28:21,330 --> 00:28:16,659
are involved with it still are kind of

680
00:28:23,970 --> 00:28:21,340
weirded out by what they saw and you

681
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:23,980
know with that particular deal oh I got

682
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:26,110
that from a you know an anonymous source

683
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,770
came to me with had heard that no while

684
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:31,840
they were flying in the area a very good

685
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:34,960
source and said hey this is so weird we

686
00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:36,490
couldn't listen to it for the whole time

687
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:38,740
because we were transiting out of that

688
00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:42,730
radio range but you should jump in and

689
00:28:47,789 --> 00:28:44,440
if you can maybe see what if what the

690
00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:47,799
deal was there yeah and you know FAA was

691
00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:48,220
great

692
00:28:52,380 --> 00:28:50,380
III called Albuquerque Center and they

693
00:28:53,850 --> 00:28:52,390
have a there guy there was fantastic in

694
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:53,860
fact we didn't have to go through FOIA

695
00:28:59,610 --> 00:28:56,110
for that he just released the tapes he's

696
00:29:02,909 --> 00:28:59,620
like hey you know this happened but at

697
00:29:06,270 --> 00:29:02,919
the time the the operations manager can

698
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:06,280
even know about it so that was kind of

699
00:29:12,090 --> 00:29:09,190
odd because you got an object in the

700
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:12,100
flight levels that could you know you're

701
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:13,510
talking about even if it's standing

702
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:14,559
still up there

703
00:29:18,750 --> 00:29:16,450
that's a closure rate of five hundred

704
00:29:22,890 --> 00:29:18,760
miles an hour for an aircraft you know

705
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:22,900
it could do extreme damage you think

706
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:24,250
that there would be some sort of report

707
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:27,760
that that thing was seen right from what

708
00:29:31,409 --> 00:29:29,530
we we could tell there isn't now we're

709
00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:31,419
looking we're doing a FOIA request on

710
00:29:37,890 --> 00:29:34,780
that as well but but yeah two pilots saw

711
00:29:40,529 --> 00:29:37,900
it the Learjet was heading you know it

712
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:40,539
was heading east over kind of just south

713
00:29:44,850 --> 00:29:42,970
of Tucson or - excuse me Phoenix there

714
00:29:46,620 --> 00:29:44,860
between the

715
00:29:50,370 --> 00:29:46,630
Phoenix and kind of the border of New

716
00:29:53,610 --> 00:29:50,380
Mexico you know it's there up at 37,000

717
00:29:56,820 --> 00:29:53,620
feet and there's actually an agressor

718
00:29:59,940 --> 00:29:56,830
Learjet that they do Phoenix there they

719
00:30:01,440 --> 00:29:59,950
do a lot of work with the military and

720
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:01,450
track that's their primary contract

721
00:30:07,049 --> 00:30:04,210
there they fly as missiles simulate

722
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:07,059
missile attack runs on ships okay so the

723
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:09,730
pilots these guys have seen everything I

724
00:30:13,260 --> 00:30:11,320
mean they're not just your standard

725
00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:13,270
airline pilot that's been busting around

726
00:30:20,430 --> 00:30:15,960
people these guys have do very

727
00:30:23,580 --> 00:30:20,440
unstandardized in for the military in in

728
00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:23,590
restricted ranges working in sensitive

729
00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:26,470
the sensitive technologies etc so this

730
00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:29,380
isn't just you know some guy that came

731
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:31,030
at a fight at school and is flying you

732
00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:35,230
know a you know a right seat in a q400

733
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:37,480
prop plane or something this is a unique

734
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:42,240
set of individuals in this aircraft and

735
00:30:47,789 --> 00:30:44,770
you know they saw this thing pass over

736
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:47,799
them that was you know like that

737
00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:50,110
high-speed a couple thousand feet above

738
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:53,260
them and it was odd-looking

739
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:54,250
you know we don't know the exact

740
00:31:00,390 --> 00:30:57,490
description but you know he couldn't put

741
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:00,400
an ID an ID on it now you're a pilot you

742
00:31:05,340 --> 00:31:02,049
see a big just a round object that's

743
00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:05,350
kind of clear or has you know has some

744
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:07,390
reflection to it I think you just say ah

745
00:31:10,770 --> 00:31:09,010
you know it's probably a weather balloon

746
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:10,780
it really is and they do get launched

747
00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:13,600
every day I know they're up there they

748
00:31:19,289 --> 00:31:16,030
have to ascend all the way up and then

749
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:19,299
they fall so you know they carry you

750
00:31:24,930 --> 00:31:22,720
know small payloads so and they don't

751
00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:24,940
have they're not trapped a lot of the

752
00:31:30,030 --> 00:31:26,260
time you know if they're under certain

753
00:31:32,909 --> 00:31:30,040
weight they don't need to be didn't seem

754
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,919
like that was it yeah yeah you know and

755
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:34,960
then the air traffic controller who is

756
00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:37,090
just cold as ice during this whole

757
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:40,630
period of time he had another an

758
00:31:48,570 --> 00:31:44,049
airliner built you know I believe his

759
00:31:50,370 --> 00:31:48,580
American Airlines both behind him say

760
00:31:52,650 --> 00:31:50,380
hey this thing kind of doing the same

761
00:31:54,919 --> 00:31:52,660
course this thing was spotted keep an

762
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:54,929
eye out and it flew right over the top

763
00:31:59,490 --> 00:31:57,970
and on that second time you know there

764
00:32:01,410 --> 00:31:59,500
a lot more conversation about what it

765
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:01,420
maybe was and you mentioned the somebody

766
00:32:06,150 --> 00:32:03,970
mentioned at google blue and immediately

767
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:06,160
said yeah now that wasn't it yeah you

768
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:09,730
know now the military super active in

769
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:11,710
that area super active yeah there you

770
00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:14,410
have white sands to the east you have

771
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:16,660
tons of military operating areas in

772
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:19,960
southern Arizona well like I say wow you

773
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,490
know middle of the day you're doing that

774
00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:23,440
at 40,000 feet it doesn't make a lot of

775
00:32:28,170 --> 00:32:24,150
sense to me

776
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:28,180
yeah and on that topic I mean you

777
00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:30,370
specialize in military and aviation you

778
00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:33,670
know just how many different projects

779
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,830
and military is is working on that did

780
00:32:39,450 --> 00:32:37,600
we even know about and others that have

781
00:32:42,780 --> 00:32:39,460
been rumored just so many of these

782
00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:42,790
drones these unmanned drones that exist

783
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,350
that we're not used to seeing because

784
00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:46,320
they haven't been released publicly

785
00:32:49,740 --> 00:32:48,100
pilots probably aren't used to seeing

786
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:49,750
them because they're not something they

787
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:52,570
would ordinarily on a regular day during

788
00:32:57,330 --> 00:32:55,150
their their normal course of flying so

789
00:32:59,940 --> 00:32:57,340
they're the skies are filled with all

790
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,950
sorts of things that you know look

791
00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:02,320
confusing to a witness and we typically

792
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:06,430
regard pilots as as being better UFO

793
00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:08,530
witnesses because you know they spend

794
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:09,580
their time in the air they know what

795
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:11,890
things look like what normal things look

796
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:12,850
like in the air so when there's

797
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:14,490
something that they don't recognize

798
00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:17,410
that's a little more credible than

799
00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:18,700
somebody just on the ground saying

800
00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:20,470
something that's not used to things in

801
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:23,500
the sky but that being said yeah I mean

802
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:25,690
you're posting stuff all the time about

803
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:29,110
all these different drones and and new

804
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:30,970
new craft that are being built all the

805
00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:38,470
time we have really don't know what has

806
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,470
been developed in the last 50 years we

807
00:33:47,310 --> 00:33:44,080
have we get a few things they get to

808
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:47,320
classified really there have been like a

809
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:50,410
handful like for over the last 35 years

810
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:53,530
that have been Declassified right that

811
00:33:57,330 --> 00:33:55,570
have been tested that are strictly tests

812
00:33:59,730 --> 00:33:57,340
you know articles everything else mm-hmm

813
00:34:01,170 --> 00:33:59,740
and those things look very strange to a

814
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:01,180
person that doesn't know what they're

815
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:03,730
looking at so I mean if you look at a

816
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:05,710
flying wing look at the b2 for instance

817
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:07,210
if that thing is flying on its knife

818
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,490
edge are you looking at it from a you

819
00:34:14,549 --> 00:34:11,679
know an angle that is not a head

820
00:34:16,409 --> 00:34:14,559
or from a planform upper or lower view

821
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:16,419
point yeah it looks like a flying saucer

822
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:18,609
it's literally that that's what it looks

823
00:34:26,309 --> 00:34:22,030
like so I mean there's a lot of that out

824
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:26,319
there let's just put it this way we have

825
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:28,089
a tiny tip of the iceberg we know what

826
00:34:33,149 --> 00:34:30,690
has been tested things stay classified

827
00:34:35,129 --> 00:34:33,159
oftentimes for very little reason for a

828
00:34:37,889 --> 00:34:35,139
very long period of time sometimes never

829
00:34:39,059 --> 00:34:37,899
come out of the black a lot of times

830
00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:39,069
like you know when these things are

831
00:34:41,849 --> 00:34:40,270
tested and they're done with them

832
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:41,859
they'll literally bury them in the

833
00:34:48,569 --> 00:34:43,800
desert where they were tested you know

834
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:48,579
it means actually in the ground so you

835
00:34:54,059 --> 00:34:52,240
know it's something that and we and you

836
00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:54,069
can imagine how far the technology has

837
00:34:58,380 --> 00:34:56,020
come on a very high-end experimental

838
00:35:01,680 --> 00:34:58,390
level compared to where we were you know

839
00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:01,690
25 years ago when the f-117 was uh you

840
00:35:06,839 --> 00:35:04,150
know cutting edge or 30 years ago yeah

841
00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:06,849
so we're talking you know a lot of times

842
00:35:13,770 --> 00:35:11,230
even I think the most well versed person

843
00:35:14,970 --> 00:35:13,780
in this field wouldn't really know what

844
00:35:16,799 --> 00:35:14,980
they're looking at potentially depending

845
00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:16,809
on what the technology they were viewing

846
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,190
was that being said I gotta be honest

847
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:22,960
with you I mean I with the like with the

848
00:35:26,730 --> 00:35:25,119
UFO thing and the whole ufology

849
00:35:29,309 --> 00:35:26,740
community I think they just do so much

850
00:35:32,510 --> 00:35:29,319
more harm than good to themselves I mean

851
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:32,520
I've said this on other radio shows and

852
00:35:38,339 --> 00:35:36,730
interviews you know I mean there's I get

853
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:38,349
stuff sent to me all the time I mean

854
00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:41,170
every day and none of them usually

855
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:43,990
they're just so plainly debunk Abul it's

856
00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:46,450
by people that just want so bad to have

857
00:35:50,609 --> 00:35:47,950
seen something or be part of this

858
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:50,619
phenomenon and it's and they really

859
00:35:53,609 --> 00:35:52,089
they're not looking for you to tell them

860
00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:53,619
what it is they're looking for you to

861
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,230
tell them what they think it is

862
00:36:00,240 --> 00:35:58,000
militantly yeah we're and now literally

863
00:36:01,650 --> 00:36:00,250
right back eight sorry man I've seen

864
00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:01,660
that a million times in my camera

865
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:04,180
you know this that's just anomaly that's

866
00:36:12,210 --> 00:36:07,210
this that I or not convinced you know

867
00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:12,220
and it'll blow up at you you know so the

868
00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:13,990
reality is for how good is like hey

869
00:36:17,579 --> 00:36:16,030
listen on a scientific level you have a

870
00:36:19,530 --> 00:36:17,589
certain amount of these things that have

871
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:19,540
happened over the you know the course of

872
00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:22,450
human history that are really

873
00:36:25,620 --> 00:36:24,670
unexplained and I'm great sourcing that

874
00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:25,630
multiple people

875
00:36:29,579 --> 00:36:27,640
involved and I think you know it's

876
00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:29,589
really like anything that would happen

877
00:36:34,319 --> 00:36:31,900
it's worth understanding or at least

878
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:34,329
better trying to dissect really what it

879
00:36:38,220 --> 00:36:36,130
could have been or what we're

880
00:36:42,089 --> 00:36:38,230
experiencing right there are some mental

881
00:36:44,999 --> 00:36:42,099
phenomenon or whatever and you know

882
00:36:46,829 --> 00:36:45,009
instead it's it's just so over the top

883
00:36:48,930 --> 00:36:46,839
and you know it's a good business for

884
00:36:50,670 --> 00:36:48,940
some people everything else meanwhile

885
00:36:52,019 --> 00:36:50,680
you have the United States government

886
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:52,029
that's paying to actually look into this

887
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:53,970
this so there is some realistic

888
00:36:59,519 --> 00:36:58,000
reality to this mm-hmm so yeah III

889
00:37:01,650 --> 00:36:59,529
always encourage people that are

890
00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:01,660
interested in this you know we're part

891
00:37:08,999 --> 00:37:06,460
of you know the in UFOs or in anything

892
00:37:11,279 --> 00:37:09,009
like this the unknown on that level just

893
00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:11,289
to be a super hardcore skeptic

894
00:37:15,569 --> 00:37:13,990
you know don't don't play in to just

895
00:37:16,740 --> 00:37:15,579
everywhere everything this guy is it

896
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,750
everything's a drone that the

897
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:18,400
government's you know watching you and

898
00:37:22,829 --> 00:37:20,529
everything is a flying saucer but those

899
00:37:25,859 --> 00:37:22,839
reports that really do matter like that

900
00:37:28,140 --> 00:37:25,869
f-18 that you know saw that recorded

901
00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:28,150
that object over the off the Baja

902
00:37:32,339 --> 00:37:30,460
Peninsula or like you know this thing

903
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:32,349
over Orion right that we've just

904
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:34,930
discussed you know that way you can

905
00:37:39,299 --> 00:37:37,210
really hammer on those issues and make a

906
00:37:41,819 --> 00:37:39,309
case but otherwise it's just it's being

907
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,829
lost in in fiction you know that's right

908
00:37:45,569 --> 00:37:43,359
people laugh at it

909
00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:45,579
like it's like it's nothing and at the

910
00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:47,109
same time I'm so interested in it

911
00:37:51,539 --> 00:37:49,000
because everybody who sends me something

912
00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:51,549
at the same time or anything I see the

913
00:37:55,499 --> 00:37:53,470
person that says oh my gosh UFO that

914
00:37:57,509 --> 00:37:55,509
very well could be a clandestine program

915
00:37:57,690 --> 00:37:57,519
that I've never seen I can identify you

916
00:38:01,529 --> 00:37:57,700
know

917
00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:01,539
so anyway complicated subject but yeah

918
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,849
yeah I'm a firm believer that a subject

919
00:38:10,289 --> 00:38:06,240
as strange as as UFOs

920
00:38:12,499 --> 00:38:10,299
it requires approaching it with cautious

921
00:38:17,099 --> 00:38:12,509
skepticism absolutely responsible

922
00:38:18,359 --> 00:38:17,109
skepticism yeah I mean it does and

923
00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:18,369
there's a lot of fun you can have with

924
00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:20,349
it too I mean there's a lot of fun you

925
00:38:24,539 --> 00:38:22,390
know more lighthearted you can look at

926
00:38:26,549 --> 00:38:24,549
little kind of like legends you know the

927
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,559
stuff that that you know people talk

928
00:38:32,670 --> 00:38:28,720
about that have largely been disproven

929
00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:32,680
you know but I see a lot of people then

930
00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:34,630
are kind of movers and shakers in this

931
00:38:38,309 --> 00:38:36,670
world it seems like that you see on

932
00:38:38,970 --> 00:38:38,319
History Channel or whatever they get at

933
00:38:41,609 --> 00:38:38,980
least

934
00:38:45,090 --> 00:38:41,619
getting a lot of coverage personally

935
00:38:47,099 --> 00:38:45,100
right a lot of play and you know they

936
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:47,109
like interview people old man that say

937
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,970
that they were part of some project and

938
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:50,800
you know they play into it and they

939
00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:52,930
didn't put it forward as certain fact

940
00:38:57,090 --> 00:38:54,190
and it's just full of holes

941
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:57,100
it's full of time issues with the

942
00:39:03,330 --> 00:38:58,960
timeline that don't make any sense and I

943
00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:03,340
just would really like I think now if to

944
00:39:07,859 --> 00:39:05,260
make to move this board in a positive

945
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:07,869
way people should really be start to

946
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:10,770
take on a skeptical level you know of

947
00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:13,930
viewing this and that way that that

948
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:17,830
point zero one of a hundred percent can

949
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:19,450
really be examined and looked on a

950
00:39:24,510 --> 00:39:21,250
scientific level and without being

951
00:39:28,349 --> 00:39:24,520
laughed at right exactly yeah that's a

952
00:39:30,990 --> 00:39:28,359
big hurdle yeah a big hurdle so I gotta

953
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,000
say when you posted your article with

954
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:34,560
the photos of the the X 44 a yeah that's

955
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,010
reminded me of something I mean I

956
00:39:45,330 --> 00:39:40,960
certainly covered it a few times over

957
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:45,340
the years but back when the the X 40

958
00:39:51,710 --> 00:39:48,640
yeah the x-47b was making headlines back

959
00:39:54,270 --> 00:39:51,720
in like 2012 and you know it been

960
00:39:56,730 --> 00:39:54,280
photographed being transported during

961
00:39:58,859 --> 00:39:56,740
the night and where was that it was

962
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:58,869
Maryland yeah Maryland and then some

963
00:40:01,830 --> 00:40:00,160
other people took a picture of it

964
00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:01,840
somewhere and claimed that it was

965
00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:04,270
outside area 51 or something but that

966
00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:06,700
thing you know with how its it's wings

967
00:40:10,770 --> 00:40:08,230
were positioned in transport and it was

968
00:40:12,780 --> 00:40:10,780
wrapped up it had a saucer like

969
00:40:15,390 --> 00:40:12,790
appearance and people were crazy for

970
00:40:18,450 --> 00:40:15,400
that was that was the movie from the

971
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,460
from the 80s why did the navigator yeah

972
00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:21,280
yeah you know and immediately when that

973
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,590
came up I did my best guys next 47 bees

974
00:40:27,210 --> 00:40:25,119
being transport across the United States

975
00:40:29,849 --> 00:40:27,220
you're gonna see pictures of this from

976
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:29,859
you know basically Southern California

977
00:40:35,609 --> 00:40:33,040
all the way to pack scribbler Naval Air

978
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:35,619
Station Pax River so get used to it yeah

979
00:40:39,450 --> 00:40:37,510
but yeah it does average person is like

980
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,460
oh my gosh this is exactly like what I

981
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:41,440
saw in an 80s movie about you know

982
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:44,890
flying saucers you know but really it

983
00:40:48,810 --> 00:40:47,410
could take a very small Kris research on

984
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,820
the Internet to know exactly what that

985
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:51,280
was yeah but you know that's kind of

986
00:40:54,540 --> 00:40:52,720
that that in itself

987
00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:54,550
aircraft you know that thing moved

988
00:40:57,980 --> 00:40:56,230
across the nation it's been did all

989
00:41:00,210 --> 00:40:57,990
these things landed on a carrier

990
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:00,220
operated from a carrier refueled

991
00:41:04,590 --> 00:41:03,010
autonomously from a tanker that's kind

992
00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:04,600
of when I say there's so much out there

993
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:07,390
that you know is is being uh tested that

994
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,610
we don't get to see that technology is

995
00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:10,960
buried you talk to the Air Force about

996
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:12,520
an unmanned combat air vehicle like that

997
00:41:18,330 --> 00:41:15,280
biggest breakthrough since the jet

998
00:41:21,690 --> 00:41:18,340
engine okay in a many different ways

999
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:21,700
this thing can outperform man fighter

1000
00:41:23,970 --> 00:41:22,330
man

1001
00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:23,980
tactical aircraft in a lot of different

1002
00:41:28,350 --> 00:41:25,900
ways yeah you know they act like it

1003
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:28,360
doesn't exist it's like a dirty word so

1004
00:41:33,210 --> 00:41:30,490
you know they have their in those things

1005
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:33,220
look you know very alien they they don't

1006
00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:36,910
look like an f-16 or even an even f-117

1007
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:40,300
right they look very different but we're

1008
00:41:43,470 --> 00:41:41,440
gonna see more that's gonna change

1009
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:43,480
because as that technology continues to

1010
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:46,180
migrate into the mainstream and and you

1011
00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:47,410
know eventually it will be an

1012
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,500
operational capability people will be

1013
00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:52,480
able to you know get used to knowing

1014
00:41:56,850 --> 00:41:55,240
what those are in the air so that that

1015
00:41:58,020 --> 00:41:56,860
will change but yeah they're it's an

1016
00:42:01,620 --> 00:41:58,030
interesting thing

1017
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:01,630
I just and that's like kind of like oh

1018
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:03,490
there's a craft that I don't know what

1019
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:06,610
it is it looks weird a trailer okay

1020
00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:09,010
this is a UFO boom and and that media

1021
00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:09,880
hurts it

1022
00:42:15,150 --> 00:42:12,340
they hurt because they hurt the whole

1023
00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:15,160
deal because it is better for a local

1024
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,700
news station to call it unknown and a

1025
00:42:23,550 --> 00:42:20,800
mystery than it is to just figure out

1026
00:42:26,130 --> 00:42:23,560
quickly what it is it's a lot less

1027
00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:26,140
interesting when the Navy is moving a

1028
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:27,790
test airplane then this is fully

1029
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:31,090
Declassified to naval test facility on

1030
00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:33,670
the East Coast than it is we don't know

1031
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:37,870
xxx mystery yeah you know well talking

1032
00:42:42,090 --> 00:42:39,910
about the stuff that's in in the sky

1033
00:42:43,740 --> 00:42:42,100
that you know we don't know there's

1034
00:42:45,150 --> 00:42:43,750
plenty of stuff in space too and and

1035
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:45,160
even something that people should be

1036
00:42:50,430 --> 00:42:47,890
familiar with by now the ISS like that

1037
00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:50,440
still throws people off a lot of people

1038
00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:52,030
haven't seen the ISS what it looks like

1039
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:53,350
when it's doing a pass over

1040
00:42:57,540 --> 00:42:55,330
right now we're throwing in like the

1041
00:43:00,360 --> 00:42:57,550
x-37b and other things that are going on

1042
00:43:02,610 --> 00:43:00,370
in space I mean it just well space is

1043
00:43:05,820 --> 00:43:02,620
the future battlefield it's happening

1044
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:05,830
now it's our our potential enemies are

1045
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:06,610
working

1046
00:43:14,580 --> 00:43:09,370
day and night to deny us access or at

1047
00:43:16,350 --> 00:43:14,590
least the overwhelming capabilities that

1048
00:43:20,910 --> 00:43:16,360
we have in space for our warfighters

1049
00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:20,920
that includes GPS and so we're getting

1050
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,470
into the area where counter satellite

1051
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:28,000
capabilities are becoming a mainstream

1052
00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:31,030
idea as opposed to sort of something

1053
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:32,830
that was you know ten years ago it was

1054
00:43:37,290 --> 00:43:35,650
sort of hmm kind of on the on the dark

1055
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:37,300
side of things that weren't really

1056
00:43:40,110 --> 00:43:38,800
talked about and I'm not talking about a

1057
00:43:41,250 --> 00:43:40,120
missile that can shoot down a satellite

1058
00:43:44,850 --> 00:43:41,260
that's not that's an anti-satellite

1059
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:44,860
weapon I'm talking about other

1060
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:48,160
satellites that can maneuver or space

1061
00:43:54,570 --> 00:43:51,910
platforms and can disable blind Jam

1062
00:43:56,370 --> 00:43:54,580
disrupt the capability of enemy

1063
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:56,380
satellites even temporarily No

1064
00:44:01,230 --> 00:43:59,680
so you're talking about these types of

1065
00:44:05,070 --> 00:44:01,240
craft will be able to maneuver you know

1066
00:44:07,350 --> 00:44:05,080
and and have less predictable orbits you

1067
00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:07,360
know so even some of our people that

1068
00:44:11,370 --> 00:44:09,430
really watch the skies you know and love

1069
00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:11,380
to track satellites and things they'll

1070
00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:13,270
probably start seeing some pretty some

1071
00:44:17,010 --> 00:44:14,590
pretty unique stuff in fact they already

1072
00:44:19,110 --> 00:44:17,020
have yeah and they don't you know they

1073
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,120
for years they have but it's gonna

1074
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:21,520
become a very mainstream capability for

1075
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,490
not just America but you know China and

1076
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,800
Russia they're already all over this so

1077
00:44:31,410 --> 00:44:29,200
space is gonna really be a changing

1078
00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:31,420
place for us in the next 10 years have

1079
00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:33,580
you speculated at all about what you

1080
00:44:38,220 --> 00:44:36,550
think the x-37b has been up to you know

1081
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:38,230
we know some of the the payloads that

1082
00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:39,970
have been launched but mostly it's been

1083
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:41,980
classified right right

1084
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:44,800
yeah I mean you got this a truck size of

1085
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:46,930
like a Ford f-150 truck bed to play with

1086
00:44:52,530 --> 00:44:50,560
yeah to put something in and then the

1087
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:52,540
idea that I from what I understand about

1088
00:44:57,630 --> 00:44:54,250
the system and you know we've reported

1089
00:44:59,310 --> 00:44:57,640
on it for years now is you know it it's

1090
00:45:02,280 --> 00:44:59,320
not just about the payload they're

1091
00:45:05,820 --> 00:45:02,290
trying out other technologies as well

1092
00:45:08,340 --> 00:45:05,830
you know especially maneuvering

1093
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:08,350
technologies everything else up there

1094
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:11,770
so you know I don't know I mean I the

1095
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:14,410
guess is as much as anybody else I would

1096
00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:17,590
imagine it's nothing that we probably

1097
00:45:20,339 --> 00:45:19,030
haven't already talked about in this

1098
00:45:22,229 --> 00:45:20,349
this interview

1099
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:22,239
as far as what's going on in space you

1100
00:45:27,059 --> 00:45:24,930
know a deploying small satellites

1101
00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:27,069
experimental payloads that have to do

1102
00:45:33,870 --> 00:45:31,630
with multi spectral payloads and or you

1103
00:45:38,130 --> 00:45:33,880
know radar payloads and being able to

1104
00:45:41,219 --> 00:45:38,140
more easily maneuver change orbit and so

1105
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,229
yeah the rebut that the x-37 is sort of

1106
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:42,880
like you know that's like a canary in

1107
00:45:46,769 --> 00:45:44,950
the coal mine that has shown us the

1108
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:46,779
change that we're seeing even on the

1109
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:49,569
unclassified side now because the

1110
00:45:54,989 --> 00:45:51,930
military now DARP is openly working on a

1111
00:45:58,140 --> 00:45:54,999
two-stage to orbit space plane system to

1112
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,150
launch you know it rapidly launch

1113
00:46:01,859 --> 00:46:00,160
anything they want into space that's up

1114
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:01,869
to I don't know 10,000 pounds or

1115
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:04,569
whatever and then you have multiple

1116
00:46:09,809 --> 00:46:07,049
other applications and that technology

1117
00:46:11,219 --> 00:46:09,819
being able to like I say this this anti

1118
00:46:15,779 --> 00:46:11,229
satellite technology is happening so

1119
00:46:19,019 --> 00:46:15,789
quickly and it's it's Massa sizing in

1120
00:46:21,210 --> 00:46:19,029
space you know much faster than I think

1121
00:46:25,170 --> 00:46:21,220
many predicted especially amongst our

1122
00:46:27,809 --> 00:46:25,180
adversaries that maybe not even

1123
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:27,819
defending the satellites that we have or

1124
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:30,160
making them less easy easily too easy to

1125
00:46:34,469 --> 00:46:32,170
be tracked but being able to actually

1126
00:46:36,180 --> 00:46:34,479
just replace them quickly with other

1127
00:46:38,969 --> 00:46:36,190
technologies so if you lose one you can

1128
00:46:41,489 --> 00:46:38,979
rapidly get another one up in an orbit

1129
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:41,499
that's gonna be a huge part and that

1130
00:46:47,099 --> 00:46:44,650
includes not just what's up there maybe

1131
00:46:49,319 --> 00:46:47,109
people see things you know like you know

1132
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:49,329
small lights in the sky or people that

1133
00:46:54,140 --> 00:46:52,210
track near-earth objects from orbital

1134
00:46:56,849 --> 00:46:54,150
objects but that's going to be

1135
00:46:59,130 --> 00:46:56,859
mothership aircraft carrying rocket

1136
00:47:01,229 --> 00:46:59,140
payloads over public areas that go out

1137
00:47:03,690 --> 00:47:01,239
to sea they're gonna see the launch of

1138
00:47:05,609 --> 00:47:03,700
these of these missiles you know at

1139
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,619
different times that are gonna people

1140
00:47:09,479 --> 00:47:07,599
are gonna think oh my gosh what is this

1141
00:47:15,029 --> 00:47:09,489
thing a sky at sunset

1142
00:47:19,229 --> 00:47:15,039
so aviation and its relationship with

1143
00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:19,239
with space flight and space and the

1144
00:47:26,339 --> 00:47:22,809
ability for us to access orbit is

1145
00:47:28,170 --> 00:47:26,349
changing and with that the average Joe

1146
00:47:29,849 --> 00:47:28,180
on the ground is gonna be seeing things

1147
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:29,859
they probably haven't seen before in

1148
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,569
areas that they haven't seen before

1149
00:47:41,070 --> 00:47:36,330
yes for sure right the private space

1150
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:41,080
explosion is is awesome it's giving us a

1151
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:43,570
lot - a lot to sit back and watch for

1152
00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:46,780
sure yeah I mean I you know I'm still I

1153
00:47:50,490 --> 00:47:49,270
was a critic of it early on yeah it's

1154
00:47:52,110 --> 00:47:50,500
great I mean it's really the

1155
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:52,120
government's funded it so I'm yeah

1156
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:54,010
absolutely you know I it's kind of

1157
00:47:59,040 --> 00:47:57,010
people kind of a weird idea of this and

1158
00:48:00,900 --> 00:47:59,050
I don't really see a marketplace as you

1159
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:00,910
know just exploding like they say it is

1160
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:03,610
but listen the price for admission was

1161
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:05,050
good enough for me

1162
00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:08,050
just seeing SpaceX plan those two pieces

1163
00:48:13,350 --> 00:48:10,120
man that was simultaneously that was so

1164
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:13,360
rad that was right for me you know that

1165
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:15,610
was right out of a science fiction movie

1166
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:18,490
yeah so yeah there's some and that's

1167
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:20,050
something like that's totally new right

1168
00:48:25,020 --> 00:48:22,330
here you're now returning your first

1169
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:25,030
stage back you know from launch right

1170
00:48:31,050 --> 00:48:28,960
into reusable so all these things are

1171
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:31,060
changing and on top of it you have our

1172
00:48:36,780 --> 00:48:34,480
adversaries that are building now like

1173
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:36,790
hypersonics are becoming a very and

1174
00:48:41,550 --> 00:48:39,930
Piper for your listeners or viewers

1175
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:41,560
hypersonics or something that's moving

1176
00:48:46,830 --> 00:48:45,040
faster than about Mach 5 Mach 6 okay so

1177
00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:46,840
this is double the speed of the sr-71

1178
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:50,260
blackbird hypersonics are becoming kind

1179
00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:52,090
of like the new super weapon that that

1180
00:48:57,900 --> 00:48:54,220
adversaries and the United States are

1181
00:48:59,460 --> 00:48:57,910
rapidly trying to develop and mainly

1182
00:49:01,170 --> 00:48:59,470
it's because it really can beat any

1183
00:49:02,910 --> 00:49:01,180
defense system it can beat a missile

1184
00:49:05,550 --> 00:49:02,920
defense system it's within the

1185
00:49:10,590 --> 00:49:05,560
atmosphere and it's very flexible it's

1186
00:49:12,330 --> 00:49:10,600
very fast you know and so all that's

1187
00:49:14,070 --> 00:49:12,340
gonna take testing as well and that's

1188
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,080
gonna change what people are gonna see

1189
00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:15,760
in the sky and everything else so I

1190
00:49:19,850 --> 00:49:17,830
guess what I'm getting at for the person

1191
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:19,860
that's into what you know or just

1192
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:22,440
interested in watching the sky and and

1193
00:49:28,620 --> 00:49:25,210
ufos or all these other different topics

1194
00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:28,630
that kind of relate to it that the

1195
00:49:32,820 --> 00:49:30,430
things that we've been so used the

1196
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:32,830
status quo of what we see on a daily

1197
00:49:37,530 --> 00:49:36,160
basis is changing now in the sky and

1198
00:49:39,420 --> 00:49:37,540
keep that in mind

1199
00:49:41,130 --> 00:49:39,430
when you see something or when you see

1200
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:41,140
somebody say hey look at this this is

1201
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:43,690
definitely you know from from you know

1202
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:46,660
Zordon and and you know this is a lizard

1203
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:47,770
people are coming

1204
00:49:52,770 --> 00:49:51,130
you know be the skeptic because because

1205
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:52,780
that's gonna help when we actually see

1206
00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:55,330
something that matters for us to really

1207
00:49:59,160 --> 00:49:57,220
investigate it whether it's a you know

1208
00:50:01,020 --> 00:49:59,170
origin of terrestrial or

1209
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:01,030
extraterrestrial doesn't matter just

1210
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:03,610
knowing what we're seeing matters yeah

1211
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:05,650
and that and it's gonna become a much

1212
00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:07,450
bigger deal for the government too

1213
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:10,390
because these same things I'm talking

1214
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,730
about our peer states developing these

1215
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:15,280
weapon systems hypersonics stealth

1216
00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:17,710
aircraft now are proliferating right

1217
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:19,060
throughout the world

1218
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:21,910
Russia and China now have multiple

1219
00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:25,920
models which China does Russia has one

1220
00:50:30,990 --> 00:50:28,270
the government is gonna be much more

1221
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:31,000
interested in what it's what people are

1222
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:34,210
seeing and what it's observing in

1223
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,090
different areas on all different levels

1224
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:39,520
as this cold war that we're entering it

1225
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,290
too sadly enough heats up so it's a good

1226
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:47,200
time to be into the subject but it's

1227
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:52,240
also a really it's really needed that

1228
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:53,950
people that are to be skeptical what

1229
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,110
they're saying and try to read team it

1230
00:50:59,610 --> 00:50:57,760
and think of all the things that is

1231
00:51:01,410 --> 00:50:59,620
first before making huge claims so we

1232
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:01,420
can actually understand what what's

1233
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:03,490
happening the world around us there's so

1234
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:06,070
much happening at such a rapid pace you

1235
00:51:10,890 --> 00:51:08,350
know it's it's difficult and people are

1236
00:51:12,540 --> 00:51:10,900
slow at you know getting used to all the

1237
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:12,550
things that are flying around I mean

1238
00:51:20,070 --> 00:51:17,890
we're still the kind of flood of private

1239
00:51:21,390 --> 00:51:20,080
drone usage you know the quad copters

1240
00:51:24,420 --> 00:51:21,400
and things like that seems like so long

1241
00:51:26,550 --> 00:51:24,430
ago but still people see drones in the

1242
00:51:29,370 --> 00:51:26,560
sky and are very confused by what

1243
00:51:31,380 --> 00:51:29,380
they're seeing hey I remember like three

1244
00:51:33,330 --> 00:51:31,390
years ago I was on a barbecue at a

1245
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:33,340
friend's house and they're in a very

1246
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:35,170
urban area down you know we're near

1247
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:38,050
where I live and that - these things pop

1248
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:40,510
up in the sky you know that are all lit

1249
00:51:45,570 --> 00:51:44,170
up yeah and look totally in it for and I

1250
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:45,580
this is supposed to be what I do for a

1251
00:51:49,530 --> 00:51:47,650
living right I mean and for a moment I

1252
00:51:51,450 --> 00:51:49,540
said oh my god what am I looking at yeah

1253
00:51:53,340 --> 00:51:51,460
this is before it kind of became

1254
00:51:55,410 --> 00:51:53,350
wherever you know if Toys R Us selling

1255
00:51:57,300 --> 00:51:55,420
down those drones some kids but you know

1256
00:51:58,770 --> 00:51:57,310
at that moment and I just immediately

1257
00:52:01,319 --> 00:51:58,780
said oh yeah it's just a hobby copter

1258
00:52:03,150 --> 00:52:01,329
there's lights on it okay but

1259
00:52:05,999 --> 00:52:03,160
you know even for me it took me a moment

1260
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:06,009
to say whoa you know what what the heck

1261
00:52:10,859 --> 00:52:08,650
is this because that's exactly what

1262
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:10,869
we're supposed to think is abnormal and

1263
00:52:13,769 --> 00:52:12,190
and and especially something that's

1264
00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:13,779
hovering and moving in a weird direction

1265
00:52:17,789 --> 00:52:15,670
at night you don't have any depth

1266
00:52:19,859 --> 00:52:17,799
perception you don't have any idea of

1267
00:52:23,940 --> 00:52:19,869
really it's Pertino its relation to the

1268
00:52:25,769 --> 00:52:23,950
to the ground on distance so yeah it is

1269
00:52:27,089 --> 00:52:25,779
all changing that's a great point just

1270
00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:27,099
for hobby drugs or something you can buy

1271
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:30,430
for a few hundred dollars can ten years

1272
00:52:36,059 --> 00:52:32,170
ago look like something totally out of

1273
00:52:37,529 --> 00:52:36,069
this world to people right you know so

1274
00:52:39,390 --> 00:52:37,539
yeah it's definitely becoming a more

1275
00:52:42,059 --> 00:52:39,400
let's say at a more target rich

1276
00:52:44,489 --> 00:52:42,069
environment but it's it's decoys

1277
00:52:45,989 --> 00:52:44,499
everywhere from what really are things

1278
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:45,999
that don't make sense

1279
00:52:51,269 --> 00:52:49,209
and you know and don't have an answer to

1280
00:52:52,799 --> 00:52:51,279
and and the part of that too is like the

1281
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:52,809
obsession with bases you know military

1282
00:52:56,849 --> 00:52:54,910
bases I a lot of times like when I'm

1283
00:53:00,180 --> 00:52:56,859
just going through different stuff the

1284
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:00,190
area of Defense coverage and ufology

1285
00:53:03,959 --> 00:53:02,049
sort of blends together based on a

1286
00:53:06,269 --> 00:53:03,969
Google search at times you come across

1287
00:53:07,709 --> 00:53:06,279
different things and there's a lot of

1288
00:53:10,109 --> 00:53:07,719
people that will point every military

1289
00:53:11,849 --> 00:53:10,119
base hmm and say oh there's this this

1290
00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:11,859
secret they're doing this there they're

1291
00:53:16,170 --> 00:53:14,380
doing that I've been on most those all

1292
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:16,180
over most those bases there's nothing

1293
00:53:20,489 --> 00:53:18,729
like that happening there's no there's

1294
00:53:22,170 --> 00:53:20,499
no secret squirrel stuff happening at

1295
00:53:24,180 --> 00:53:22,180
the Air National Guard base in Fresno

1296
00:53:27,329 --> 00:53:24,190
you know what I mean it's just not at

1297
00:53:29,009 --> 00:53:27,339
all happening there there's there's weed

1298
00:53:31,709 --> 00:53:29,019
have areas for that we have

1299
00:53:34,469 --> 00:53:31,719
installations that specialize in dealing

1300
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:34,479
with those projects and once again it

1301
00:53:38,609 --> 00:53:35,890
kind of goes back to everybody wanting

1302
00:53:40,769 --> 00:53:38,619
to have story instead of instead of just

1303
00:53:43,739 --> 00:53:40,779
you know being amazed with the few great

1304
00:53:45,630 --> 00:53:43,749
stories we have it's just so much

1305
00:53:47,819 --> 00:53:45,640
disinformation that it's hard to cut

1306
00:53:49,049 --> 00:53:47,829
through it you know and honestly the

1307
00:53:50,699 --> 00:53:49,059
Defense Department seems to agree

1308
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:50,709
because they're they spend millions of

1309
00:53:54,420 --> 00:53:52,650
dollars for researching this recently

1310
00:53:56,999 --> 00:53:54,430
yeah that's right

1311
00:53:58,769 --> 00:53:57,009
so let me jump in to UFOs just for a

1312
00:54:02,779 --> 00:53:58,779
minute and the UFO community that we've

1313
00:54:05,699 --> 00:54:02,789
talked about I know one thing that has

1314
00:54:08,219 --> 00:54:05,709
certain certain groups within the UFO

1315
00:54:09,989 --> 00:54:08,229
community have really been passionate

1316
00:54:13,259 --> 00:54:09,999
about and latched on to for years and

1317
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:13,269
years claiming that the military has

1318
00:54:16,709 --> 00:54:13,839
this sea

1319
00:54:19,049 --> 00:54:16,719
it's tr-3b are you familiar with the tio

1320
00:54:22,819 --> 00:54:19,059
very much so I would love to hear what

1321
00:54:25,950 --> 00:54:22,829
you have to say about the tr-3b great so

1322
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:25,960
that's one of those places that we just

1323
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,210
discussed where we have the kind of hard

1324
00:54:33,229 --> 00:54:30,640
defense coverage no even whether you

1325
00:54:35,579 --> 00:54:33,239
like it or not spill into sort of this

1326
00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:35,589
unknowing let's put it category right

1327
00:54:41,969 --> 00:54:38,710
now of almost that you know UFO level or

1328
00:54:43,339 --> 00:54:41,979
whatever you want to call it so I mean

1329
00:54:46,049 --> 00:54:43,349
what you're talking about here is

1330
00:54:48,690 --> 00:54:46,059
anti-gravity you know flying triangle

1331
00:54:51,749 --> 00:54:48,700
that has ability to generate massive

1332
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:51,759
amounts of energy to build it has to or

1333
00:54:56,190 --> 00:54:53,890
some sort of field you know and it kind

1334
00:54:58,709 --> 00:54:56,200
of goes back to the bob lazar stuff and

1335
00:55:02,779 --> 00:54:58,719
you know all that sort of background

1336
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:02,789
it's I'd say it's kind of where the UFO

1337
00:55:09,499 --> 00:55:05,890
let's you know lexicon or Lord enters

1338
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:09,509
into area 51 okay let's put it that way

1339
00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:11,890
I'm gonna say this straight off I have

1340
00:55:17,489 --> 00:55:14,950
never seen one bit of credible

1341
00:55:20,370 --> 00:55:17,499
information that area 51 does anything

1342
00:55:24,809 --> 00:55:20,380
else but test aircraft that are made

1343
00:55:26,670 --> 00:55:24,819
man-made that are not you know soup-like

1344
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:26,680
of alien nature okay let's have it that

1345
00:55:30,569 --> 00:55:29,440
way this thing some people you know it

1346
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:30,579
seems that some people claim that it's

1347
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:32,049
it's man-made it's like a Lockheed

1348
00:55:37,620 --> 00:55:36,160
Martin project or something when it all

1349
00:55:39,630 --> 00:55:37,630
comes down to some sort of like

1350
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:39,640
anti-gravity capability that was you

1351
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:41,710
know maybe has been tested now I cannot

1352
00:55:46,529 --> 00:55:44,650
tell you definitively that that doesn't

1353
00:55:48,420 --> 00:55:46,539
exist there's never there's never been

1354
00:55:51,329 --> 00:55:48,430
experiments and anti-gravity propulsion

1355
00:55:54,089 --> 00:55:51,339
I think it'd be presumptuous for me to

1356
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:54,099
say that on many levels in fact there's

1357
00:55:58,940 --> 00:55:55,569
may be some evidence to point to the

1358
00:56:02,609 --> 00:55:58,950
opposite direction at the same time I

1359
00:56:04,589 --> 00:56:02,619
can't say that this thing has does exist

1360
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:04,599
or a dozen there or anything else I

1361
00:56:09,870 --> 00:56:07,599
don't think it does because I just don't

1362
00:56:14,819 --> 00:56:09,880
think that we're their capability wise

1363
00:56:16,529 --> 00:56:14,829
at all but others will argue that these

1364
00:56:19,140 --> 00:56:16,539
things get buried for a lot of reasons

1365
00:56:22,049 --> 00:56:19,150
and you know some of it has to do with

1366
00:56:23,989 --> 00:56:22,059
everything from like you know the

1367
00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:23,999
potential for the technology to change

1368
00:56:29,130 --> 00:56:27,160
the reliance on fossil fuels

1369
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:29,140
yeah you know everything else and I

1370
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:30,690
think those are arguments that are are

1371
00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:33,630
worth having

1372
00:56:41,010 --> 00:56:37,390
definitely I mean I've talked to people

1373
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:41,020
in that worlds and there is a lot of

1374
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:43,690
incredible technology that is likely

1375
00:56:48,540 --> 00:56:46,330
just wrapped up in deep classification

1376
00:56:49,860 --> 00:56:48,550
that we'll probably never see the light

1377
00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:49,870
of day until it's developed

1378
00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:52,990
independently in the commercial world

1379
00:56:59,820 --> 00:56:55,900
for other reasons okay so I think that's

1380
00:57:01,950 --> 00:56:59,830
fair to say for people now there's been

1381
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:01,960
a lot of sightings of this type of thing

1382
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:04,240
like and I remember Belgium people said

1383
00:57:09,740 --> 00:57:07,810
that they were seeing them usually three

1384
00:57:13,730 --> 00:57:09,750
lights and a big one in the center

1385
00:57:19,110 --> 00:57:13,740
cetera here's what I do have to say okay

1386
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:19,120
tr3 the tr3 is an there's there's

1387
00:57:25,530 --> 00:57:21,570
actually two different aircraft at tr3

1388
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:25,540
that i talked about as a potential

1389
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:28,240
aircraft that has existed is a

1390
00:57:35,220 --> 00:57:31,690
reconnaissance aircraft and potentially

1391
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:35,230
electronic warfare aircraft that was and

1392
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:38,110
yeah that was developed you know in the

1393
00:57:45,210 --> 00:57:41,410
late 80s early 90s and deployed in very

1394
00:57:48,780 --> 00:57:45,220
small numbers for a period of time that

1395
00:57:53,490 --> 00:57:48,790
aircraft is known widely in the defense

1396
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:53,500
circles as Black Manta it would have a

1397
00:57:58,220 --> 00:57:55,450
very similar plan form to what we're

1398
00:58:00,660 --> 00:57:58,230
talking about it's not an antigravity

1399
00:58:04,140 --> 00:58:00,670
vehicle it's an airplane you know it

1400
00:58:06,540 --> 00:58:04,150
just looks different and that aircraft

1401
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:06,550
there's lots of different spottings and

1402
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,410
really there's a whole beyond what

1403
00:58:13,530 --> 00:58:10,720
people have seen about it there's a

1404
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,540
whole in the lineage of what what is

1405
00:58:19,470 --> 00:58:15,520
like persistent surveillance over enemy

1406
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:19,480
territory reconnaissance changed for the

1407
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:22,210
Air Force dramatically in the late or

1408
00:58:27,690 --> 00:58:25,570
late 70s early 80s before then it's

1409
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:27,700
about the you - it's about satellites

1410
00:58:31,110 --> 00:58:29,890
it's about the sr-71 blackbird mainly

1411
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:31,120
right for strategic time and

1412
00:58:35,790 --> 00:58:33,610
connaissance what those things do is

1413
00:58:37,350 --> 00:58:35,800
they fly over they take a picture or

1414
00:58:40,940 --> 00:58:37,360
they take readings at a moment of time

1415
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:40,950
it is a snapshot device okay

1416
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:45,900
whereas in the early 80s an aircraft

1417
00:58:54,329 --> 00:58:51,690
named tacit blue made by Northrop

1418
00:58:58,740 --> 00:58:54,339
stealth aircraft that was able to fill

1419
00:59:01,079 --> 00:58:58,750
the massive radar and use data links

1420
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:01,089
that were hard to intercept by the enemy

1421
00:59:04,829 --> 00:59:02,770
name they couldn't really detect where

1422
00:59:06,270 --> 00:59:04,839
emissions were coming from so they

1423
00:59:08,790 --> 00:59:06,280
couldn't detect the aircraft in the

1424
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,800
airspace even by its own emissions even

1425
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:10,960
though it was also incredibly hard to

1426
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,839
spot by radar this aircraft and this is

1427
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:16,000
all known all Declassified you know you

1428
00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:17,950
can read all about it tacit blue also

1429
00:59:25,050 --> 00:59:21,640
called the whale this aircraft proved

1430
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:25,060
that you can send a surveillance system

1431
00:59:31,020 --> 00:59:28,930
with high-powered emitters like a radar

1432
00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:31,030
and data links which have to do with

1433
00:59:34,770 --> 00:59:32,950
unmanned systems it's how you would

1434
00:59:36,930 --> 00:59:34,780
control unmanned system and pass

1435
00:59:38,790 --> 00:59:36,940
information off that aircraft to the

1436
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:38,800
ground or around the world for

1437
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:41,170
exploitation it was proven that that

1438
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:44,079
system could persist over enemy

1439
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:46,690
territory for long periods of time and

1440
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:50,130
get a much sweeter grade of intelligence

1441
00:59:54,839 --> 00:59:53,290
then a blackbird could or satellite knew

1442
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:54,849
that it just takes a picture readings in

1443
01:00:03,300 --> 00:59:58,720
a moment in time okay that that

1444
01:00:07,230 --> 01:00:03,310
revolution and surveillance came later

1445
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:07,240
on as stealth progressed we didn't see

1446
01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:10,089
that appear as an actual operational

1447
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:13,569
aircraft until the rq-170 first appeared

1448
01:00:21,390 --> 01:00:16,510
in Kandahar Afghanistan in the late

1449
01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:21,400
2000s okay we did that that it was like

1450
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,760
you know decades before that incredible

1451
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:27,040
capability was supposedly operationally

1452
01:00:33,690 --> 01:00:29,920
fielded in a different fashion but the

1453
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:33,700
same idea yeah there is a huge gap

1454
01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:39,810
between tacit blue and that rq-170 that

1455
01:00:45,180 --> 01:00:42,670
obviously the Air Force was very

1456
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,190
interested in in that capability and

1457
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:47,440
filming it but we don't have and we have

1458
01:00:52,349 --> 01:00:48,730
no program that did it

1459
01:00:54,299 --> 01:00:52,359
it's like it just went away and so the

1460
01:00:56,670 --> 01:00:54,309
tr3 that the black man

1461
01:00:58,529 --> 01:00:56,680
that I talked about or an aircraft

1462
01:01:00,209 --> 01:00:58,539
similar to it would have been a

1463
01:01:02,189 --> 01:01:00,219
penetrating reconnaissance and

1464
01:01:03,689 --> 01:01:02,199
electronic warfare aircraft that would

1465
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:03,699
have been manned that would have bridged

1466
01:01:09,299 --> 01:01:06,880
that gap between tacit blue and the RQ

1467
01:01:12,089 --> 01:01:09,309
and seventy that we see today that

1468
01:01:14,609 --> 01:01:12,099
aircraft had been flying in the 90s it

1469
01:01:16,439 --> 01:01:14,619
would have been you know deployed to

1470
01:01:19,289 --> 01:01:16,449
operational theatres in the Middle East

1471
01:01:21,779 --> 01:01:19,299
and it would have done everything from

1472
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:21,789
battle damage assessment and worked with

1473
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:24,729
potentially the f-117 or stealth attack

1474
01:01:29,609 --> 01:01:27,369
aircraft to also provide maybe

1475
01:01:31,229 --> 01:01:29,619
electronic warfare for deployed so it

1476
01:01:33,329 --> 01:01:31,239
can help make those aircraft more

1477
01:01:35,429 --> 01:01:33,339
survivable so we don't know if it

1478
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,439
existed there's a lot of rumors about it

1479
01:01:41,759 --> 01:01:37,359
but like I say what we do know is that

1480
01:01:44,189 --> 01:01:41,769
there's a gap okay and I believe that an

1481
01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:44,199
aircraft like that would be something

1482
01:01:53,069 --> 01:01:49,150
that people would very easily look at

1483
01:01:55,259 --> 01:01:53,079
and say oh my gosh that is like nothing

1484
01:01:59,339 --> 01:01:55,269
I've ever seen it's a you know a fine

1485
01:02:00,599 --> 01:01:59,349
wedge maybe that could have easily I

1486
01:02:05,219 --> 01:02:00,609
think it could have easily been

1487
01:02:08,910 --> 01:02:05,229
construed as this other tr-3b craft that

1488
01:02:12,539 --> 01:02:08,920
you know we have less of a at least a

1489
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:12,549
historical reason for it existing and

1490
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:14,799
you know a background for it to actually

1491
01:02:19,919 --> 01:02:17,910
come into play so they do line up

1492
01:02:21,509 --> 01:02:19,929
timeline when this thing started to

1493
01:02:23,969 --> 01:02:21,519
appear and kind of when this here this

1494
01:02:26,429 --> 01:02:23,979
actual aircraft or this you know more

1495
01:02:29,759 --> 01:02:26,439
vikas's should say less exotic aircraft

1496
01:02:30,509 --> 01:02:29,769
who could have been flying and so that's

1497
01:02:31,979 --> 01:02:30,519
something to keep in mind

1498
01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:31,989
and there's other and not just the

1499
01:02:36,779 --> 01:02:33,249
sightings that we've seen there's a

1500
01:02:39,329 --> 01:02:36,789
crash in the UK where at the base over

1501
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:39,339
there where connect kinetic is based

1502
01:02:44,249 --> 01:02:41,920
where they do all the testing that you

1503
01:02:48,059 --> 01:02:44,259
can read about that very well could have

1504
01:02:50,279 --> 01:02:48,069
been this similar aircraft so something

1505
01:02:51,959 --> 01:02:50,289
to think about that you know there was a

1506
01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:51,969
very similar project that potentially

1507
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,329
existed it's still highly classified huh

1508
01:02:58,289 --> 01:02:56,559
that could have looked very much like

1509
01:02:59,849 --> 01:02:58,299
something like we've been described but

1510
01:03:02,339 --> 01:02:59,859
it wouldn't have been an antigravity

1511
01:03:03,660 --> 01:03:02,349
machine anything like this mhm you know

1512
01:03:06,209 --> 01:03:03,670
it would have been something much more

1513
01:03:06,860 --> 01:03:06,219
you know less exotic but it still look

1514
01:03:09,770 --> 01:03:06,870
interesting

1515
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:09,780
it looks similar yeah oh that's cool all

1516
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:11,460
right I got one more question for you

1517
01:03:18,610 --> 01:03:14,760
I'll let you go but you mentioned how

1518
01:03:20,930 --> 01:03:18,620
you're contacted constantly with various

1519
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:20,940
UFO sighting reports and things people

1520
01:03:27,380 --> 01:03:23,250
wanting you to to tell them what they've

1521
01:03:29,630 --> 01:03:27,390
seen what is the most fascinating or I

1522
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:29,640
guess intriguing report you've ever

1523
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:32,250
received you know it hasn't been

1524
01:03:36,770 --> 01:03:33,810
something that was sent to me okay you

1525
01:03:39,260 --> 01:03:36,780
know I have somebody that I have no and

1526
01:03:41,390 --> 01:03:39,270
you know I some people I know

1527
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:41,400
saw something in the eighties that to

1528
01:03:46,850 --> 01:03:44,010
this day and I really don't want to get

1529
01:03:48,350 --> 01:03:46,860
into it but to this day is the most

1530
01:03:50,540 --> 01:03:48,360
amazing report I've ever heard from

1531
01:03:51,860 --> 01:03:50,550
people that never watched Star Trek they

1532
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:51,870
have no interest in ending like this

1533
01:03:56,330 --> 01:03:53,730
nothing that you know they're they've

1534
01:03:58,850 --> 01:03:56,340
got no in fact it was a very big burden

1535
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,860
to them I think more than it was an

1536
01:04:03,260 --> 01:04:00,960
incredible experience where maybe you or

1537
01:04:05,930 --> 01:04:03,270
I would have loved it regardless of you

1538
01:04:08,780 --> 01:04:05,940
know the fear of seeing something that

1539
01:04:10,310 --> 01:04:08,790
was unexplained but you know so that's

1540
01:04:12,170 --> 01:04:10,320
maybe that's really the only thing that

1541
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:12,180
I've known anybody that personally that

1542
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:15,450
has had something that was very unique

1543
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:18,210
now I get stuff a lot of people that see

1544
01:04:25,300 --> 01:04:21,420
stuff in the sky a lot of conclusions of

1545
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:25,310
notes like I say military bases nearby

1546
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:28,770
you know when I let's put it this way

1547
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:30,720
then when I wrote the piece on the

1548
01:04:35,780 --> 01:04:33,090
aircraft when I put that together the on

1549
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:35,790
the aircraft October 25th deal that we

1550
01:04:41,420 --> 01:04:38,880
discussed previously yeah that came off

1551
01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:41,430
of people that kind of I knew in the

1552
01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:43,740
northwest here that are in the aviation

1553
01:04:47,030 --> 01:04:45,750
world that said hey kind of heard rumors

1554
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:47,040
that this sort of happened

1555
01:04:51,110 --> 01:04:49,110
bits and pieces maybe there's an

1556
01:04:53,330 --> 01:04:51,120
airplane there's a scramble with f-15s

1557
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:53,340
and I didn't even think twice of it I

1558
01:04:58,130 --> 01:04:55,290
didn't look into it cuz I hear that all

1559
01:05:01,310 --> 01:04:58,140
the time right you know and I came

1560
01:05:02,690 --> 01:05:01,320
across a reddit thread of pilots and air

1561
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:02,700
traffic controllers that were involved

1562
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:04,410
potentially in that matched what I'd

1563
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:07,050
heard in pieces right all sudden it was

1564
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,050
sort of you know corroborated at least

1565
01:05:14,690 --> 01:05:11,760
on it's like a social media level which

1566
01:05:16,730 --> 01:05:14,700
is a very low bar okay yeah but that's

1567
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:16,740
how its that spurred me to go and

1568
01:05:20,580 --> 01:05:18,540
actually look into this and then go to

1569
01:05:22,740 --> 01:05:20,590
the FAA go through all the steps DeMille

1570
01:05:26,070 --> 01:05:22,750
Terry to get to where we we eventually

1571
01:05:30,420 --> 01:05:26,080
got yeah so the majority of them are not

1572
01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:30,430
are are just you know they're just Chuck

1573
01:05:34,860 --> 01:05:33,190
a couple of them I mean some people done

1574
01:05:36,930 --> 01:05:34,870
their own FOIA is and come up with some

1575
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:36,940
interesting stuff they saw aircraft or

1576
01:05:42,570 --> 01:05:40,510
fighter aircraft following object and

1577
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:42,580
you know they've actually got responses

1578
01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:44,770
from inconclusive radar returns and

1579
01:05:49,860 --> 01:05:47,740
things so there's some of that I get a

1580
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:49,870
lot of black helicopter stuff sure I

1581
01:05:55,770 --> 01:05:53,680
mean it endless stuff about oh my gosh

1582
01:05:59,100 --> 01:05:55,780
black helicopters I see him all the time

1583
01:06:01,320 --> 01:05:59,110
did it I mean listen like the hundred

1584
01:06:03,630 --> 01:06:01,330
sixth are the 160th special operations

1585
01:06:05,340 --> 01:06:03,640
here regiment are the guys that are kind

1586
01:06:07,350 --> 01:06:05,350
of the top of the line for the army you

1587
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:07,360
know and for all Special Operations they

1588
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:10,000
fly charcoal black helicopters you know

1589
01:06:13,590 --> 01:06:12,160
they train everywhere they train all

1590
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:13,600
over they train in urban environments

1591
01:06:17,550 --> 01:06:15,850
mm-hmm you know they'll go to urban if I

1592
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:17,560
date I mean you can look up Denver and

1593
01:06:21,420 --> 01:06:18,970
see them flying around it spooked a

1594
01:06:23,250 --> 01:06:21,430
bunch of people listen it's just a

1595
01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:23,260
military capability they're not doing

1596
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:26,560
anything more than training for you know

1597
01:06:30,510 --> 01:06:28,240
what they do and what they do is they

1598
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:30,520
fight they go and kill bad guys I mean

1599
01:06:34,020 --> 01:06:32,710
they have a hard pretty hardcore job at

1600
01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:34,030
that they're busy doing that they're not

1601
01:06:38,130 --> 01:06:36,070
busy million cows or anything else

1602
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:38,140
they're the busy training for those

1603
01:06:43,770 --> 01:06:42,370
capabilities so you know a lot of times

1604
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:43,780
it's always an object that's seen and

1605
01:06:47,940 --> 01:06:46,450
then a helicopter peers but then you

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01:06:50,370 --> 01:06:47,950
look at it doesn't make any sense what

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01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:50,380
they're saying so I you know I just had

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01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:51,970
one just you know that we're on the

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01:06:56,940 --> 01:06:54,210
topic of like hoaxes or maybe

1610
01:07:01,620 --> 01:06:56,950
misunderstandings or whatever sure I saw

1611
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:01,630
a image was sent to me of a very unique

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01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:04,690
looking swing wing bomber looking

1613
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:06,250
aircraft that was supposedly spotted in

1614
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:10,480
South Carolina you know it was a very

1615
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:12,730
unique looking picture I look through it

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01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:15,010
with my with my editing you know my

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01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:16,990
photo mm-hmm knowledge and I'm just not

1618
01:07:21,540 --> 01:07:19,090
incredible but I could work Photoshop a

1619
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:21,550
bit to see if there's any real quick

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01:07:26,130 --> 01:07:23,680
signs that there is any issues with the

1621
01:07:27,570 --> 01:07:26,140
image and that didn't show up and so I

1622
01:07:29,310 --> 01:07:27,580
just put it on Twitter and said hey guys

1623
01:07:30,930 --> 01:07:29,320
this is probably a hoax but what do you

1624
01:07:32,190 --> 01:07:30,940
think you know I've all but bunch of

1625
01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:32,200
Defense people fall I mean everything

1626
01:07:36,380 --> 01:07:34,540
else and you know it

1627
01:07:38,310 --> 01:07:36,390
we went through people were pretty

1628
01:07:39,810 --> 01:07:38,320
stunned by it they were like oh that

1629
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:39,820
looks you know like this like that

1630
01:07:43,710 --> 01:07:42,310
everybody was engaged trying to figure

1631
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:43,720
out about what it was yeah

1632
01:07:49,350 --> 01:07:46,710
and one guy puts up a clip from a

1633
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:49,360
documentary really well done little

1634
01:07:53,850 --> 01:07:51,760
documentary about the supersonic

1635
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:53,860
transport that was Boeing designed in

1636
01:07:59,160 --> 01:07:57,130
the 60s and found the exact clip that

1637
01:08:00,990 --> 01:07:59,170
this guy who swore to me that this was

1638
01:08:02,460 --> 01:08:01,000
this this and this and you know

1639
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:02,470
obviously I didn't take it I knew that

1640
01:08:08,420 --> 01:08:05,770
this was probably not real that's why I

1641
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,430
put it in ask people what they thought

1642
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:10,960
you know and I go back to the guy and I

1643
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:13,090
say hey man what why I wasn't even mad

1644
01:08:17,130 --> 01:08:14,410
because I know nuts exist

1645
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:17,140
you know I said but what's the what's

1646
01:08:21,390 --> 01:08:19,839
the get out of this for me like what you

1647
01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:21,400
know I mean yeah I'd even make that

1648
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:23,230
article on or anything I just was gonna

1649
01:08:28,559 --> 01:08:25,450
get debunked yeah and I get crazy

1650
01:08:30,930 --> 01:08:28,569
talking back just just not even like the

1651
01:08:33,480 --> 01:08:30,940
guy went from being able to discuss

1652
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:33,490
normal conversation with people to just

1653
01:08:38,370 --> 01:08:34,810
random crazy talk

1654
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:38,380
people have their motivations I'm

1655
01:08:42,030 --> 01:08:39,850
telling you this they have their

1656
01:08:44,250 --> 01:08:42,040
motivations they want to put they want

1657
01:08:48,030 --> 01:08:44,260
to see something they want to be they

1658
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:48,040
want attention they want to be I don't

1659
01:08:53,940 --> 01:08:50,890
know if it I don't understand it but I

1660
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:53,950
do understand that exists and I just saw

1661
01:08:59,160 --> 01:08:56,530
all your viewers please don't feed them

1662
01:09:01,470 --> 01:08:59,170
you know try to debunk it put it out

1663
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:01,480
there you know and say hey how can we

1664
01:09:06,270 --> 01:09:04,210
debunk this don't say hey isn't this is

1665
01:09:07,950 --> 01:09:06,280
proof that this this is happening and

1666
01:09:09,870 --> 01:09:07,960
they're all around us and you know

1667
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:09,880
there's this extrapolation that rolls

1668
01:09:16,740 --> 01:09:13,089
out I think that everybody would be

1669
01:09:18,780 --> 01:09:16,750
better off in that in both any sort of

1670
01:09:21,059 --> 01:09:18,790
scientific level or any looking at any

1671
01:09:23,309 --> 01:09:21,069
sort of object in the sky or trying to

1672
01:09:25,530 --> 01:09:23,319
figure out what is happening that world

1673
01:09:28,020 --> 01:09:25,540
around us if they were skeptics first

1674
01:09:30,329 --> 01:09:28,030
and tried to find the when those people

1675
01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:30,339
are proven to be a hoax and they've they

1676
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:33,460
perpetuated it knowingly ostracize them

1677
01:09:38,099 --> 01:09:35,530
don't give them don't feed them because

1678
01:09:40,140 --> 01:09:38,109
that those same guys are being paid

1679
01:09:43,260 --> 01:09:40,150
money to go on History Channel and going

1680
01:09:46,260 --> 01:09:43,270
on these ridiculous programs that that

1681
01:09:48,269 --> 01:09:46,270
go out and put a bunch of stuff into

1682
01:09:51,180 --> 01:09:48,279
normal people's heads that aren't act

1683
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:51,190
and it reads the chances of us finding

1684
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:53,920
out real information that can change

1685
01:09:58,110 --> 01:09:56,050
maybe you know the course of human

1686
01:10:00,240 --> 01:09:58,120
events okay who knows yeah that's right

1687
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:00,250
so that's all you know that's my case

1688
01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:02,410
and it's not just me you know it's the

1689
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:04,030
it's the United States Department of

1690
01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:05,830
fence that agrees this is something that

1691
01:10:11,490 --> 01:10:07,710
they're interested yeah that's very true

1692
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:11,500
Tyler you do fantastic work and you know

1693
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:14,530
the Oregon UFO story was just you know

1694
01:10:22,710 --> 01:10:16,810
absolute fun to listen through that

1695
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:22,720
audio so thank you for sure your your

1696
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:24,640
journalism your responsible journalism

1697
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:26,890
and your diving and doing the FOIA to

1698
01:10:30,930 --> 01:10:28,480
get that information because that's such

1699
01:10:32,370 --> 01:10:30,940
a fascinating case but you do good work

1700
01:10:34,050 --> 01:10:32,380
where can people go what's the best

1701
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:34,060
place for people to go to follow what

1702
01:10:39,390 --> 01:10:37,150
you do really simple it's the war zone

1703
01:10:42,030 --> 01:10:39,400
calm they'll take the rights of my

1704
01:10:43,470 --> 01:10:42,040
particular page and you can go look

1705
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:43,480
through our articles what we do every

1706
01:10:48,180 --> 01:10:46,090
day and happy to have your viewers and

1707
01:10:50,220 --> 01:10:48,190
listeners come on over and listen if you

1708
01:10:52,140 --> 01:10:50,230
in it don't be afraid to send me an

1709
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,150
email you know I love to chat or you

1710
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:55,120
know if you do see something happy to

1711
01:10:59,370 --> 01:10:56,800
look at it for you but just keep in mind

1712
01:11:01,320 --> 01:10:59,380
I'm not you know I'm not there to be a

1713
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:01,330
cheerleader I'm there to tell you that

1714
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:03,850
it's it's either nothing or I don't know

1715
01:11:08,460 --> 01:11:06,400
or maybe I can't identify it but you

1716
01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:08,470
know I'm not there to perpetuate any

1717
01:11:14,670 --> 01:11:10,600
sort of hoaxes or you know anything like

1718
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:14,680
that you're somebody with specific

1719
01:11:18,750 --> 01:11:16,000
knowledge and that's a valuable tool

1720
01:11:20,130 --> 01:11:18,760
right and I'm but I'm happy that I love

1721
01:11:22,590 --> 01:11:20,140
to talk to people I love to talk to my

1722
01:11:24,150 --> 01:11:22,600
readers and you know happy to engage on

1723
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:24,160
that level and and hopefully we can get

1724
01:11:28,380 --> 01:11:26,170
it's more information about what's going

1725
01:11:30,330 --> 01:11:28,390
on and on all different levels and like

1726
01:11:32,490 --> 01:11:30,340
I say this this DoD thing was a big

1727
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:32,500
break for the for all of this and

1728
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:34,330
hopefully we can learn more in the

1729
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:36,610
future it might just be a matter of time

1730
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:38,710
yeah well said well thank you so much

1731
01:11:40,650 --> 01:11:40,090
for hanging out today Tyler we really

1732
01:11:42,330 --> 01:11:40,660
appreciate it

1733
01:11:43,740 --> 01:11:42,340
hey no worries have a good one and

1734
01:11:45,090 --> 01:11:43,750
thanks for talking I appreciate it

1735
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:45,100
thanks again to Tyler for taking the

1736
01:11:49,230 --> 01:11:46,210
time to talk with us about these

1737
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:49,240
fascinating UFO encounters if you

1738
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:50,890
haven't listened to any of it I

1739
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:52,810
encourage you to go to the war zone calm

1740
01:11:58,140 --> 01:11:55,210
and listen to some of the audio from

1741
01:11:59,940 --> 01:11:58,150
either of these incidents let's all for

1742
01:12:01,620 --> 01:11:59,950
this episode of spacing out let us know

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